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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by barrydorr » Mon 31 Jul 2017, 05:17

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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by barrydorr » Wed 02 Aug 2017, 23:00

Maserati electric future

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electr ... heres-why

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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by barrydorr » Fri 11 Aug 2017, 02:48

We allready have the formula E, what is next the Dakar E?

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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/weird/ ... -dakar-car

Last week, Elon Musk stood outside his Tesla factory in Fremont, California, and personally oversaw the handover of the first 30 production versions of his latest and greatest Tesla, the Model 3.

It’s the car that Musk hopes will propel Tesla into the mass market. Priced at $35k in boggo form, it costs half as much as its bigger Model S brother, and with a range of 310 miles, a 0-60mph time of 5.1 seconds and seating for five, it could be the car that starts the charge from internal combustion to EVs being the everyday.

But what happens when you don’t want to go mass market but want to go niche. Very niche. Like Dakar buggy niche. Step forward Mo Aoun, and his speculative render of a nutjob Tesla.

It doesn’t use the baby Model 3 as a base, nor it’s bigger brother the Model S, but rather the biggest Tesla of them all – the Falcon-winged Model X. You may remember that’s the one with seats seven and has every other firm on the planet that builds premium SUVs in a bit of a panic. Underneath, the architecture is similar to the Model S (massive battery pack, electric motors, aluminium chassis), but all Model Xs are four-wheel drive, so have twin electric motors, one driving each axle. Perfect for the Dakar then.
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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by IndianaJones » Tue 15 Aug 2017, 18:13

The article in the link to Drivetribe, isn't directly about e-cars, but the writer makes some interesting comments, also applicable here, and makes me wonder, can electric cars be analog?
https://drivetribe.com/p/this-is-why-mi ... dMomnHwrsw

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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by barrydorr » Sat 19 Aug 2017, 13:57

740bhp from four electric motors fed by an underfloor battery pack mean four-wheel drive and 0-62mph in sub-four, with an NEDC range of over 310-miles.

Thats a nice future?

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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by ZA Perana » Sun 20 Aug 2017, 17:05

barrydorr wrote:
Thu 27 Jul 2017, 15:22
Coupé-man wrote:
Thu 27 Jul 2017, 15:04
What worries me about this, is the future of motorsport. Full works commitments to Formula E
I follow the same website for motorsport news...

I have seen a few of these formula E races and they are great races to look at...better than the american nascar for example..

But mercedes leaving DTM is a bit sad...but maybe Opel could go back and take their German heritace back on the track...although i read somewhere that Peugeot bought Opel to develop the brand in to soley E-cars aswell
I find absolutely nothing exciting about E cars at all, not to mention the fact that many developing parts of the world don't have infrastructure for them, imagine driving from CT to JHB in an electric car.

Imagine the cost of batteries.....
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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by Can-Am ZN » Sun 27 Aug 2017, 13:31

Can-Am ZN wrote:
Thu 27 Jul 2017, 14:20
No need for us petrol-junkies to stress, this is Africa, lads, they'll never be able to outlaw fossil fuel vehicles from our roads...hell, we still see donkey-drawn carts in cities and on some of our national roads :lol:
Spotted by a buddy in Cape Town...in support of my statement in my earlier post captioned above :lol:
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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by Scorpionman » Thu 31 Aug 2017, 18:54

South Africa’s answer to the ‘banning’ of petrol cars: more taxes

https://businesstech.co.za/news/motorin ... ore-taxes/


In July of this year, the United Kingdom said that it would ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars by the year 2040.

Speaking at the time, the UK’s environment secretary Michael Gove said that the decision was made as part of the government’s push to embrace new technology and address growing concerns of air pollution in the country.

Gove further indicated that it would be giving £200 million to local authorities to draw up plans to tackle particular roads with high pollution.

The ban follows a similar promise by French president Emmanuel Macron who made the same promise, and several other countries have also officially committed themselves to the time-frame to cut out petrol and diesel cars altogether.

In South Africa meanwhile, the Department of Transport last week published its “Draft Green Transport strategy” revealing how it plans to make the country’s roads and transport industry more environmentally friendly.

5% reduction by 2050

In his foreword to the report, Transport Minister Joe Maswanganyi said that South Africa was committed to providing a world class transportation system that reduces both the cost transportation, the quantity of Green House Gases (GHG) and other pollutants that are emitted by the sector.

Citing a 2010 DEA report, Maswanganyi said that emissions from the transport sector account for 10.8% of the country’s total greenhouse gas emissions, with road transport being responsible for 10.2% of these GHG emissions.

“In 2010, the transport sector was responsible for 10.8% of energy related emissions,” he said.

“Should these trends continue in the absence of mitigating legislation and policies, the transport sector is projected to emit a total of 136 Cg CO2 eq by the year 2050.”

Read: A ban on diesel and petrol cars – not anytime soon in SA

Maswanganyi said that his department would aim to make a significant impact in reducing GHG emissions by committing to a 5% reduction of emissions in the transport sector by 2050.

“Introducing change for the transport sector will be a challenging and costly exercise, especially when it comes to innovative industries or sectors where long -term investments needs to be made such in order to move the transport sector to becoming low carbon intensive,” the report said.

“While the government can set appropriate policies, it is ultimately up to the private sector to buy into the large-scale uptake of green transport.

“As such, the policy framework as set by government should be supported by various drivers, enablers and barriers as perceived by the private sector. In practice, green transport enablers, barriers and drivers are typically placed in the context of social, economic and environmental impact.”

The plan for cars



The report focuses on a number of areas including freight, rail, and aviation, but states that the road transport sector contributes approximately 91% of total transport green-house gas emissions.

“One of the primary intervention mechanisms to achieve this, is through freight achieving modal shifts in the transport of freight from road to rail, and from private vehicle use to public transport and ecomobility transport for passenger transport,” it said.

To achieve these modal shifts, the report stated that significant investment needs to take place in the following areas:

Bus rapid transit (BRT) systems need to be significantly expanded throughout the large cities and the security, reliability and frequency of BRT systems improved.
Infrastructure must be innovatively upgraded to allow the minibus taxi industry (or high occupancy vehicles such as carpooling initiatives) to utilize the BRT-only lanes.
An intelligent transport system must be developed where all public transport and the minibus industry can be monitored by metropolitan control centers through GPS, GIS and IoT connectivity.
A single ticketing system will be developed where the public can utilize a smart tag as the payment mechanism. The smart tag will be swiped on entry and exit of the public transport system. The smart tag may also be used in the taxi industry.
Non-motorised transport infrastructure, namely the building of cycle lanes along key transport routes and improved pavements and sidewalks.
The government will work with the private sector to expand on the current number of electric charging stations powered by renewable energy sources. Those stations will also be accessible to the general public.
Government will set an example for procuring energy efficient vehicles by instituting “Procurement Guidelines” for the government vehicle fleet.
The Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries (DAFF) and DoT, will develop a “rehabilitation plan” focusing on a tree planting initiative within and around major cities, with emphasis of replanting trees especially after the construction of transport infrastructure.
DoT in partnership with Department of Basic Education will include in the lower education curriculum, a module, under life science subject about green transport and innovation.
New laws and taxes



The Department of Transport said it would prepare the following regulations to encourage the modal shift from road to rail and from private vehicle use to public transport:

A congestion charge on vehicles that enter central business hubs.
A review of the current levels of the environmental levy on new motor vehicle CO2 emissions and expand the tax to include commercial vehicles.
Annual taxing of vehicles based on their emissions through the annual car licensing renewal system.
Added tax to new fuel car buyers, use that money to contribute to the cost of buying green vehicles to bring the price down. This will include relaxing taxes associated with green vehicles to further reduce the price to below the petrol or diesel cars.
A test on vehicles that covers roadworthiness and exhaust emissions. The test certificate with need to be produced every 3 years of car licensing renewal and the test scores will be used to adjudicate a price relative to safety and emissions performance.
Introduce a car life cycle limits on the road, i.e. a car with an engine more than 400,000km must be burned from the road.
Regulations to ensure that freight vehicles (trucks) may only enter urban hubs during off hours.
Research will be conducted into the staggering school and work times to relieve congestion in cities.
Freight permits will be re-introduced into South Africa with permit pricing reflecting the emissions for tonne cargo of freight vehicles, etc
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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by ZA Perana » Thu 31 Aug 2017, 19:28

Scorpionman wrote:
Thu 31 Aug 2017, 18:54
South Africa’s answer to the ‘banning’ of petrol cars: more taxes

https://businesstech.co.za/news/motorin ... ore-taxes/


In July of this year, the United Kingdom said that it would ban the sale of petrol and diesel cars by the year 2040.

Speaking at the time, the UK’s environment secretary Michael Gove said that the decision was made as part of the government’s push to embrace new technology and address growing concerns of air pollution in the country.

Gove further indicated that it would be giving £200 million to local authorities to draw up plans to tackle particular roads with high pollution.

The ban follows a similar promise by French president Emmanuel Macron who made the same promise, and several other countries have also officially committed themselves to the time-frame to cut out petrol and diesel cars altogether.

In South Africa meanwhile, the Department of Transport last week published its “Draft Green Transport strategy” revealing how it plans to make the country’s roads and transport industry more environmentally friendly.

5% reduction by 2050

In his foreword to the report, Transport Minister Joe Maswanganyi said that South Africa was committed to providing a world class transportation system that reduces both the cost transportation, the quantity of Green House Gases (GHG) and other pollutants that are emitted by the sector.

Citing a 2010 DEA report, Maswanganyi said that emissions from the transport sector account for 10.8% of the country’s total greenhouse gas emissions, with road transport being responsible for 10.2% of these GHG emissions.

“In 2010, the transport sector was responsible for 10.8% of energy related emissions,” he said.

“Should these trends continue in the absence of mitigating legislation and policies, the transport sector is projected to emit a total of 136 Cg CO2 eq by the year 2050.”

Read: A ban on diesel and petrol cars – not anytime soon in SA

Maswanganyi said that his department would aim to make a significant impact in reducing GHG emissions by committing to a 5% reduction of emissions in the transport sector by 2050.

“Introducing change for the transport sector will be a challenging and costly exercise, especially when it comes to innovative industries or sectors where long -term investments needs to be made such in order to move the transport sector to becoming low carbon intensive,” the report said.

“While the government can set appropriate policies, it is ultimately up to the private sector to buy into the large-scale uptake of green transport.

“As such, the policy framework as set by government should be supported by various drivers, enablers and barriers as perceived by the private sector. In practice, green transport enablers, barriers and drivers are typically placed in the context of social, economic and environmental impact.”

The plan for cars



The report focuses on a number of areas including freight, rail, and aviation, but states that the road transport sector contributes approximately 91% of total transport green-house gas emissions.

“One of the primary intervention mechanisms to achieve this, is through freight achieving modal shifts in the transport of freight from road to rail, and from private vehicle use to public transport and ecomobility transport for passenger transport,” it said.

To achieve these modal shifts, the report stated that significant investment needs to take place in the following areas:

Bus rapid transit (BRT) systems need to be significantly expanded throughout the large cities and the security, reliability and frequency of BRT systems improved.
Infrastructure must be innovatively upgraded to allow the minibus taxi industry (or high occupancy vehicles such as carpooling initiatives) to utilize the BRT-only lanes.
An intelligent transport system must be developed where all public transport and the minibus industry can be monitored by metropolitan control centers through GPS, GIS and IoT connectivity.
A single ticketing system will be developed where the public can utilize a smart tag as the payment mechanism. The smart tag will be swiped on entry and exit of the public transport system. The smart tag may also be used in the taxi industry.
Non-motorised transport infrastructure, namely the building of cycle lanes along key transport routes and improved pavements and sidewalks.
The government will work with the private sector to expand on the current number of electric charging stations powered by renewable energy sources. Those stations will also be accessible to the general public.
Government will set an example for procuring energy efficient vehicles by instituting “Procurement Guidelines” for the government vehicle fleet.
The Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries (DAFF) and DoT, will develop a “rehabilitation plan” focusing on a tree planting initiative within and around major cities, with emphasis of replanting trees especially after the construction of transport infrastructure.
DoT in partnership with Department of Basic Education will include in the lower education curriculum, a module, under life science subject about green transport and innovation.
New laws and taxes



The Department of Transport said it would prepare the following regulations to encourage the modal shift from road to rail and from private vehicle use to public transport:

A congestion charge on vehicles that enter central business hubs.
A review of the current levels of the environmental levy on new motor vehicle CO2 emissions and expand the tax to include commercial vehicles.
Annual taxing of vehicles based on their emissions through the annual car licensing renewal system.
Added tax to new fuel car buyers, use that money to contribute to the cost of buying green vehicles to bring the price down. This will include relaxing taxes associated with green vehicles to further reduce the price to below the petrol or diesel cars.
A test on vehicles that covers roadworthiness and exhaust emissions. The test certificate with need to be produced every 3 years of car licensing renewal and the test scores will be used to adjudicate a price relative to safety and emissions performance.
Introduce a car life cycle limits on the road, i.e. a car with an engine more than 400,000km must be burned from the road.

Regulations to ensure that freight vehicles (trucks) may only enter urban hubs during off hours.
Research will be conducted into the staggering school and work times to relieve congestion in cities.
Freight permits will be re-introduced into South Africa with permit pricing reflecting the emissions for tonne cargo of freight vehicles, etc
Absolutely laughable. If this was the case there would be very few cars on the road, I wonder what mileage some taxi's have. Completely daft impractical legislation.
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Re: E-cars the future...the end of petrolheads?

Post by werner » Sun 24 Sep 2017, 10:22

I found this info about Acabion Da Vinci 650/VI 2011 on the https://www.bikez.com/brands/index.php website.


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Model: Acabion Da Vinci 650/VI
Year: 2011
Category: Prototype / concept model
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Price as new (MSRP): Euro 5000000. Prices depend on country, taxes, accessories, etc.
Engine and transmission
Engine type: Electric
Engine details: Twin Acabion GTBO-V 600 Mechatronic Drive
Power: 804.61 HP (587.3 kW))
Top speed: 650.0 km/h (403.9 mph)
Max RPM: 24000
Cooling system: Liquid
Transmission type,
final drive: Chain
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Frame type: Carbon fibre and titanium monocoque.
Front brakes: Single disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight: 420.0 kg (925.9 pounds)
Power/weight ratio: 1.9157 HP/kg
Overall height: 1,250 mm (49.2 inches)
Overall length: 5,250 mm (206.7 inches)
Overall width: 900 mm (35.4 inches)
Other specifications
Starter: Electric
Comments: Water temperature-conditioned li-ion batteries. Range: ) 500 miles (800 km) per charge. 110 V as well as 220 V charging. Electronically limited Acceleration 0...550 km/h (342 mph) in less than 30 seconds. Projected Area: 0.66 m2 Aerodynamic Drag Coefficient cd=0.08. Rolling Resistance Index cr=0.005. Total Effectiveness = + 1400% compared to fully electric cars. Made in Germany.

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