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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by ters » Sun 21 May 2017, 08:33

brennan67 wrote:Someone said that the Facebook AMC group is a hidden group or a "private club" I am part of that FB group. If it is a private group how does that FB group drive new traffic to the forum ?
The Facebook page is an "extension" of the Forum, not a "promoting" platform?

Heavy D summed it up nicely...Content. Facebook page was public for a couple months, whereafter it was decided to change the visibility to secret. Have a look at the numbers on there: 379 Members; 1167 Blocked... over a 1000 of the blocked applicants stumbled upon the page with "muscle" as key in their search... traditional healers, pervs?! We are experiencing the same on our Forum now.... new software will be loaded during the week, hopefully limiting unwanteds.

AMC Forum will not die an untimely death, it's existence is crucial in the classic/muscle car scene in SA!

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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by werner » Sun 21 May 2017, 10:13

Ters, the opposite of death is staying alive. That might also be stagnate. Shaugn is offering the forum growth.

Then our forum do not need to resemble the cars we are passionate about. It can be modern and more attractive and user friendly. A few patches wont do the job.

Shaun would definitly not make an offer to buy the forum / site if he does not see a huge potential in it.

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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by barrydorr » Sun 21 May 2017, 14:21

Ters his post on facebook brought me back here...i have lost intrest coming back here...i think i check the forum maybe once every 2 months...and catch up on all the topics in about half an hour....there are only a handful of guys that comment on a regular basis...and it is very often more of the same without picture or video's ect.

We all can make excuses about time money ect but i can tell you i make a lot of time for the opel manta whatsapp group i am on en interact direct with guys that share my maddness for manta's...i was also on the OCC forum (opel) it died about a year ago...same there only a handful of guys actually talking and a lot of of onedayflies...the forum pretty much continued on facebook and is well attended on facebook with great discussions in the comments...our AMC fb page is almost as dead as the forum, i see only ters updating the picture and pieter post some posts once and while....

I dont post as much as i did also not on facebook cause it is like brennan said it feels sometimes you talk to yoursell...i still follow your build...and eventhough you have heard it many times...you are doing a great job...not just on your build but also on the forum telling in detail wat hou are doing...those are intressting reads...

But all things and points and arguments on of the biggest reason the forum is in decline due to the infomation overflow...i dont even know on how many car groups and page i am on facebook but the diverity is enourmous...and this we dont have over here...

At one point i came here only to see indi his share post on cars for sale...just dreaming on wat is for sale...but this is also not really the purpose of this forum...

I am sure we can think of a lot of reasons...but just look at this topic...everybody prettymuch see the end is coming to this forum
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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by ZA Perana » Sun 21 May 2017, 14:27

brennan67 wrote: It was mentioned that the forum is on the down because of the economy, how does that make sense? Its not like it costs money to talk about cars, talk is free.. Sure it may keep new people into the hobby from starting a project or buying a car but those of us that are passionate about it and are in it dont come here and comment or add content because we not motivated to do so. I personally participate in other forms in the USA because I have something to learn there and they have interesting content which keeps me coming back to those forums. Cant say I am getting that around here.

Sorry I think certain people need to swallow their pride and LISTEN to what Shannon is having to say, because the vibe I am reading is they dont want to be listening to his wise words. Embrace and learn from those that know more and are specialised in their fields.
OK you say the economy has nothing to do with it? How many younger people can afford Mustangs/Camaro's in any condition? Back in 2001 a Mustang could be had for R30k, a fastback for R50k and project cars for even less. If you track this site, its biggest growth was when cars were attainable, are they attainable now, definitely not in my view, aspirational perhaps.

Sure, people can talk about cars but how many younger people want to talk about cars they cannot relate to and cars they hardly ever see.
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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by ZA Perana » Sun 21 May 2017, 14:31

barrydorr wrote:Ters his post on facebook brought me back here...i have lost intrest coming back here...i think i check the forum maybe once every 2 months...and catch up on all the topics in about half an hour....there are only a handful of guys that comment on a regular basis...and it is very often more of the same without picture or video's ect.

We all can make excuses about time money ect but i can tell you i make a lot of time for the opel manta whatsapp group i am on en interact direct with guys that share my maddness for manta's...i was also on the OCC forum (opel) it died about a year ago...same there only a handful of guys actually talking and a lot of of onedayflies...the forum pretty much continued on facebook and is well attended on facebook with great discussions in the comments...our AMC fb page is almost as dead as the forum, i see only ters updating the picture and pieter post some posts once and while....

I dont post as much as i did also not on facebook cause it is like brennan said it feels sometimes you talk to yoursell...i still follow your build...and eventhough you have heard it many times...you are doing a great job...not just on your build but also on the forum telling in detail wat hou are doing...those are intressting reads...

But all things and points and arguments on of the biggest reason the forum is in decline due to the infomation overflow...i dont even know on how many car groups and page i am on facebook but the diverity is enourmous...and this we dont have over here...

At one point i came here only to see indi his share post on cars for sale...just dreaming on wat is for sale...but this is also not really the purpose of this forum...

I am sure we can think of a lot of reasons...but just look at this topic...everybody prettymuch see the end is coming to this forum
I agree with you and your point backs up the my assertion, the Opel Forum died, back in 2002 that forum was HUGE with mass participation and you need to ask if a forum dedicated to mass produced cars dies...

Methods of obtaining information are far wider than what they once were, why post on a forum if you can join a whatsapp group or a facebook page (personally I don't have time for facebook nor do I particularly like its layout) where you can often see things quickly.
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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by ZA Perana » Sun 21 May 2017, 14:33

Johann66 wrote:
werner wrote:Brennan, I think posting a pic is one of the big hassels. On newer forums one do not need to resize, you just post and it is resized by the server and it fits the screen. Some pics is on size with the limit, but one needs to move your screen sideways and up and down to view it. Thereby the time it takes and new members battling, not worth the while.
Agree! :D Another fact is that people from that era are growing old/ Passing away 8O I am turning 74 and might be starting a new project! Details will be given at a later stage. We need a younger generation that unfortunately we have not prepared! My own two sons are not interested! I know of several backyard restorers in my area that do not participate in internet activities. Reason? COST! The people that do have the financial ability, do their thing for themselves and do not share! I know several! That is why only one person is aware of my project in making! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Agree completely.
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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by brennan67 » Sun 21 May 2017, 15:24

ZA Perana wrote:
brennan67 wrote: It was mentioned that the forum is on the down because of the economy, how does that make sense? Its not like it costs money to talk about cars, talk is free.. Sure it may keep new people into the hobby from starting a project or buying a car but those of us that are passionate about it and are in it dont come here and comment or add content because we not motivated to do so. I personally participate in other forms in the USA because I have something to learn there and they have interesting content which keeps me coming back to those forums. Cant say I am getting that around here.

Sorry I think certain people need to swallow their pride and LISTEN to what Shannon is having to say, because the vibe I am reading is they dont want to be listening to his wise words. Embrace and learn from those that know more and are specialised in their fields.
OK you say the economy has nothing to do with it? How many younger people can afford Mustangs/Camaro's in any condition? Back in 2001 a Mustang could be had for R30k, a fastback for R50k and project cars for even less. If you track this site, its biggest growth was when cars were attainable, are they attainable now, definitely not in my view, aspirational perhaps.

Sure, people can talk about cars but how many younger people want to talk about cars they cannot relate to and cars they hardly ever see.

Hi, I have just got back from Cars the Park PMB, was a good day out, seems that on the ground down here in Durban the interest in classic cars, muscle cars, hot rods and the entire scene is strong and Durban is indeed the poorer city than JHB or Cape Town. Also lots of old timers and youngsters walking around. I am sure the majority of visitors to any Cars in the Park dont actually have a car on show, but may have a project or even worse not have a car in any state of repair at all. But they there even in this kak economy. After all we can all look and dream and if have a passion for something participate.

My point is same thing as a forum, you dont need to own a car to visit here, its free and a cheap source of entertainment..

I think its irrelevant ho many young people or old people for that matter who can afford a muscle car. Its only about this forum and why people are not coming here or contributing to it. That problem is with the admins, owners, layout, usability of the forum to be honest. But its hard to admit when you are part of the problem I suspect. Sorry if I am been harsh but I am seeing a lot of excuses around the problem but you guys are not admitting there is a problem with the forum are you ?

2ndly, those that do have cars and are busy restoring them (and perhaps in your mind the "ones with money" ) are also not really interested to come here and share their experiences, like they did in the past. Why is that ??? I would love to hear YOUR answer to this....???

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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by brennan67 » Sun 21 May 2017, 15:47

ZA Perana wrote:
barrydorr wrote:Ters his post on facebook brought me back here...i have lost intrest coming back here...i think i check the forum maybe once every 2 months...and catch up on all the topics in about half an hour....there are only a handful of guys that comment on a regular basis...and it is very often more of the same without picture or video's ect.

We all can make excuses about time money ect but i can tell you i make a lot of time for the opel manta whatsapp group i am on en interact direct with guys that share my maddness for manta's...i was also on the OCC forum (opel) it died about a year ago...same there only a handful of guys actually talking and a lot of of onedayflies...the forum pretty much continued on facebook and is well attended on facebook with great discussions in the comments...our AMC fb page is almost as dead as the forum, i see only ters updating the picture and pieter post some posts once and while....

I dont post as much as i did also not on facebook cause it is like brennan said it feels sometimes you talk to yoursell...i still follow your build...and eventhough you have heard it many times...you are doing a great job...not just on your build but also on the forum telling in detail wat hou are doing...those are intressting reads...

But all things and points and arguments on of the biggest reason the forum is in decline due to the infomation overflow...i dont even know on how many car groups and page i am on facebook but the diverity is enourmous...and this we dont have over here...

At one point i came here only to see indi his share post on cars for sale...just dreaming on wat is for sale...but this is also not really the purpose of this forum...

I am sure we can think of a lot of reasons...but just look at this topic...everybody prettymuch see the end is coming to this forum
I agree with you and your point backs up the my assertion, the Opel Forum died, back in 2002 that forum was HUGE with mass participation and you need to ask if a forum dedicated to mass produced cars dies...

Methods of obtaining information are far wider than what they once were, why post on a forum if you can join a whatsapp group or a facebook page (personally I don't have time for facebook nor do I particularly like its layout) where you can often see things quickly.
As Barry is saying everyone is seeing the coming to the end of the forum, even Rassie is thinking this hence him raising the topic. Do you see it ZA Perana ? I just have a feeling that you dont..

You say that there are many places to get info, yes thats true, but only a forum gives you in depth information and discsion which FB or WhatsApp cant do. Could you just imagine us all typing our long winded comments on this subject on a what app post.... :lol: or in FB which is a lot more casual all the roastings and clever comments from my friends group I would receive... :evil: Forums are a little more serious and have their place and there is indeed plenty space for a forum, go read the comments on FB and all the contributors there on this subject say they love the forum and it has it place... but you cant because as you said you not on FB, I would take a screen shot and show you the comments but its too much of a hassle to do so.. Yes I am being facetious but I think that makes my and others point.

Who knows why other forums died, maybe they also had a poor layout and difficult ease of use, maybe nobody likes Opels anymore (sorry Barry just kidding), maybe the admins and mods where a problem. many reasons. We are just saying pls address the issues it will have an impact. As they said in the movie filed of Dreams " if you build it they will come " :D :D :D
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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by brennan67 » Sun 21 May 2017, 15:59

ZA Perana wrote:
Johann66 wrote:
werner wrote:Brennan, I think posting a pic is one of the big hassels. On newer forums one do not need to resize, you just post and it is resized by the server and it fits the screen. Some pics is on size with the limit, but one needs to move your screen sideways and up and down to view it. Thereby the time it takes and new members battling, not worth the while.
Agree! :D Another fact is that people from that era are growing old/ Passing away 8O I am turning 74 and might be starting a new project! Details will be given at a later stage. We need a younger generation that unfortunately we have not prepared! My own two sons are not interested! I know of several backyard restorers in my area that do not participate in internet activities. Reason? COST! The people that do have the financial ability, do their thing for themselves and do not share! I know several! That is why only one person is aware of my project in making! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Agree completely.
I completely disagree...

There are plenty younger people coming into this hobby, met a whole bunch today, 20 somethings working on cars, getting involved, the internet and TV shows have exposed these youngsters to the hobby and passion like never before, but I can tell you a 20 year old is going to get quite bored coming here as there is very little to keep him as this site is so dated with low tech content (images, videos, social media links) etc. I am 43 so maybe I am young to some of you but I dont feel young anymore but maybe you older guys dont realise that the kids 20 years younger than me are very interested in cars, forums like this need to be the place that turns those interests into a actual hobby and place of learning, and these days learning is all about multimedia content and social media.

I just laugh at this forum as if anyone posts a link and I click on it, all it does is take me AWAY from this forum (which is NOT What you want !!!) , where as it should open the link in a NEW TAB and when I am done with the link I am supposed to close the tab and return back to were I was on the forum. I can tell you EVERYONE either closes the tab and then realizes they have lost AMC forum page and goes somewhere else or they have to hit the back button numerous times on their web browser if they realize the AMC limitation which is very frustrating. These little things.. the devils is always in the little details.

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Re: Forum sterf/ or what is it ,cold and rain?

Post by IndianaJones » Sun 21 May 2017, 16:28

brennan67 wrote: I completely disagree...

There are plenty younger people coming into this hobby, met a whole bunch today, 20 somethings working on cars, getting involved, the internet and TV shows have exposed these youngsters to the hobby and passion like never before, but I can tell you a 20 year old is going to get quite bored coming here as there is very little to keep him as this site is so dated with low tech content (images, videos, social media links) etc. I am 43 so maybe I am young to some of you but I dont feel young anymore but maybe you older guys dont realise that the kids 20 years younger than me are very interested in cars, forums like this need to be the place that turns those interests into a actual hobby and place of learning, and these days learning is all about multimedia content and social media.
Case in point if I may, Jody. He is of a younger generation, which came here to learn, and has some projects on the roll. His last posting got no replies. The posting before that, got him some replies, but none of significance from the actual engine builders whom are members of this forum.
http://www.africanmusclecars.com/forum/ ... 42&t=22918
So we can see this is one part of the problem. I'd say you are in a fair position to answer, Brennan. Besides easier uploads, what would it take for guys with a lot of rebuilding experience such as yourself, to partake in discussions a lot more frequently? What would make it worthwhile and interesting/fun/involving for you?

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