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Re: VERY LOW BG NUMBER

Post by ant » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 09:28

There is no such thing as a V6 Capri Perana.
When the pictures of the red car without engine but with BG plates appeared a few months ago, I had a personal discussion with Basil Green on this subject. He confirmed that there were never any v6 Capri's built under his Perana designation. The plates that appear on this car could have been transferred from a Perana Cortina,(they appear similar!), or they could be reproductions.
I think it was John who made the valid point. BG had a very close relationship with Ford and was well aware of the imminent arrival of Ford's own V6 Capri, therefore it would have been a waste to develop a v6 conversion for what would have been a very short production run. BG therefore focussed his attention on developing the V8 Perana.

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Re: VERY LOW BG NUMBER

Post by Gavin RS » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 09:35

I tend to agree with you Anthony, I have never seen a V6 Perana Capri,

I am trying to post the pics of the car but they are in bitmap form, I will try to change.It looks like the car did have a v6 at some stage,looking at the plates and the condition of the car, I thinkl this car has been standing for so long that people had not thought of making fraud plates yet. I will try put the ics up shortly.they might only open with picture viewer.

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Post by Firenza GT » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 09:42

Hang on, I'm no specialist on the Perana's but somehow in my archive there is an advert of the V6 Capri Perana in one of BG's adverts of the time.

With regards the V6 thing and going through the efort of developing a model that Ford was about to produce, was the MK3 Cortina V6 Perana also unique to here before Ford built them ? Not sure.

BG went on to also have an XR3 Escort Perana which was merely an XR3 with the Basil Green modifications. So although primarily associated with fitting bigger/other motors in his conversions he also seemd to do as such on ocassion.

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Post by Gavin RS » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 09:54

Finally sorted the pics out, look at these, sad to see such a car in this state.

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Re: VERY LOW BG NUMBER

Post by ZA Perana » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 10:42

I think there was a V6 Perana.....
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Post by ant » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:00

The advert seems real enough.
The car however in the words of the man who supposedly built them,i.e. Basil Green was never built and officially sold. I have not seen the advert before, only the pics previously posted which I subsequently discussed with Basil Green. His confirmation is contained in my previous post. I will show him the advert when next I get the chance to ask him why there is a potential discrepancy.

Has anyone however actually seen one of these cars in original condition?

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Re: VERY LOW BG NUMBER

Post by ZA Perana » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:08

ant wrote: The advert seems real enough.
The car however in the words of the man who supposedly built them,i.e. Basil Green was never built and officially sold. I have not seen the advert before, only the pics previously posted which I subsequently discussed with Basil Green. His confirmation is contained in my previous post. I will show him the advert when next I get the chance to ask him why there is a potential discrepancy.

Has anyone however actually seen one of these cars in original condition?


Ad is out of Jan 1970 Technicar.....I have seen an original V6 Perana sadly though rust had taken hold in a big way....
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Re: VERY LOW BG NUMBER

Post by vanz2 » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 11:33

While doing milatary service in the early 80's one of my buddy's had a v6 perana.
At the time his father was driving a v8 perana. I am going to try my best to see if i can contact him again as i'm sure he would have some pics.

Or maybe Henry can clear this "mystery".

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Post by Firenza GT » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 12:21

I speak under correction, but as VanZ is going to do, I will try track down and old friend who possibly had one in the 80's still that would have been. Reason I noted it was that he had brought his car to drag's and posted a time in the upper 14 second bracket for teh 400 m sprint. That was excelllent back then for a road car which was reasonably standard be it a V6 Perana and more like the V8 performance figures.

With all due respect to those even close to the origin's of these cars, today almost 40 years later, individuals now aproaching a mature age etc. fact cannot always just be put down to a quick question to a person like the honourable Basil Green. He has done so many other things since 1970.

I still say, at this stage now 2007 many years after the fact, most of the information is on the "other side of the fence" there where we the ordinary race/classic fan stand and watch. We have more time to notice fine detail. I know because when I was involved in the pits with Group N all I can now refer to as fact to a point is when I clicked my camera, put it away and rolled wheels around in haste again. then came the after/party/prize giving and the long tow home again. next race the whole process started again. I only had a few years of that, imagine persons like Basil Green, Basil Van Rooyen, Geof Mortimer and the like, that was their life and things moved fast and furious from team/project to project. For them besides a sport it was also a hi-stressed profession with the main goal to win unlike us to take it is as our classic car interest.

The best we can find out the truth of fact 30-40 years later, here by us. Actual owners of cars, personal acounts with some sort of back-up, boxes of photo's, literature etc. example, I posted the picture of the Mike Forsyth Sierra which I had no idea was from that era of the "Animal". Soon after I got a message with an explaination that the "Animal" was "dead" and that indeed was an exGroup 1 XR8 as a spare car. Here again on this side of the fence came this invaluable bit of information which in this case confimrs that it was indeed Ford associated be it not the actual "Animal;" as we knew it, the one raced by Willie Hepburn, the one that had all those crank problems initially etc. As can be seen in that thread vanZ posted clear images of what could have been left of the "Animal" had it still been in one piece. Somewhere somehow somebody knows. This thing about "no recorded history" etc. is becoming a good avenue for passing things that may not be, as the real thing. That is only if we on this side of the fence are excluded from the verification and general comment around an issue.

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Post by 302 » Sat 27 Oct 2007, 19:01

Ha Ha Ha, I love these forums with the he said she said debate, then when the proof appears (read V6 ad here), then well, ok, maybe I will check my sources.
Keep it up guys. :oops:
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